When his wife became pregnant with their fourth child Greg panicked, but a focus on the family counselor put everything into perspective.

He said, the first thing you need to realize if kids are a blessing, or all of the

blessing, that their gifts from God, and the second thing you said was, kids value

relationships, not stuff. Greg and his wife found the encouragement they needed and today they have a happy thriving family of seven children.

We have been really influenced by the culture and by just the kind of overall negativity about kids and to hear from someone, you know,

just godly truth that kids are special, that they're wanted and that they're a blessing was huge to us.

I'm Jim Daly and we love kids.

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Well, you know in those hard seasons of marriage. Well, you know, in those hard seasons of marriage, and they do come, it's so important for us to work together as a team,

even if that's the last thing you feel like doing.

I'm John Fuller along with my focus on the family colleagues,

Greg and Erin Smalley, and Greg describe how a couple can work together

through hardship and actually improve in their relationship.

Well, you've heard the expression,

Misery Loves Company.

Yes.

Well, and a part of that's true,

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