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Explain It to Me

Facebook's shadow court

Explain It to Me

Vox Media Podcast Network

Education, Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.47.9K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2021

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Kate Klonick, law professor at St. John's University, joins Matt to talk about her investigation into Facebook's secret content moderation board. She talks about her inside-Silicon-Valley reporting, the problems of regulating content in general, and why Facebook both is and is not like a newsstand. Resources: "Inside the Making of Facebook's Supreme Court" by Kate Klonick, The New Yorker (Feb. 12, 2021) "The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech" by Kate Klonick, Harvard Law Review (Mar. 2017) Guest: Kate Klonick (@Klonick), Assistant Professor of Law, St. John's University Host: Matt Yglesias (@mattyglesias), Slowboring.com Credits: Erikk Geannikis, Editor and Producer As the Biden administration gears up, we'll help you understand this unprecedented burst of policymaking. Sign up for The Weeds newsletter each Friday: vox.com/weeds-newsletter. The Weeds is a Vox Media Podcast Network production. Want to support The Weeds? Please consider making a contribution to Vox: bit.ly/givepodcasts About Vox Vox is a news network that helps you cut through the noise and understand what's really driving the events in the headlines. Follow Us: Vox.com Facebook group: The Weeds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

But yesterday Kate Konic is a professor of law at St. John's University.

0:05.4

She's also a leading expert on social media and Facebook in particular.

0:10.1

This is like the kind of subject that I think is challenging for people because we all use

0:14.4

Facebook, so we all have opinions on it.

0:17.0

And it can get really dangerous because you have opinions on things without really knowing

0:21.2

anything about them.

0:22.8

And Kate is the opposite of that.

0:24.2

She has done the most intensive study of Facebook, sort of new, this kind of Supreme Court

0:29.7

that they are rolling out that's going to make decisions about content moderation, other

0:34.0

important things on the platform.

0:35.8

She really understands it inside and out in like a clear, really thoughtful way.

0:40.7

So our conversation, I've learned a lot from her over the years.

0:43.2

I learned a lot from this conversation.

0:44.7

I think you will too.

0:45.7

Hello, welcome to another episode of the Weeds on the Box Media Podcast Network.

0:57.3

I'm Matthew Clacius, my guest today, Kate Konic is an old friend of mine as well as

1:01.8

an assistant professor of law at St. John's University.

1:05.0

And she has recently published in the New Yorker, which I think you know, one of the most

1:09.3

important pieces of journalism that we're going to see this year.

1:13.0

And it's a really in depth look at this kind of tribunal that Facebook has established

1:19.2

with some, some fanfare to rule over some of its content moderation policies.

1:25.2

And this is a subject.

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