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Avantee west coast, feel good travel. Hello and today I am so delighted to be joined by blogger, broadcaster and

mother of two Deborah James. In 2016, aged just 35, Deborah was diagnosed with stage 4 bowel cancer,

and since then she has poured her efforts into raising awareness about the symptoms of the disease

and also sharing her experience of what it's like to live with

cancer.

She's the co-host of the Chart Topping You Me and the Big Sea podcast, sharing candid conversations

about cancer alongside breast cancer survivor

Lauren Mahon, I hope I've said that correctly, and her Radio 5 Live colleague Rachel Bland

who has since very sadly died. Alongside all of this, Deborah has also published her book,

F U Cancer, How to Face the Big Sea,

Live your life and still be yourself.

Deborah, thank you so much

for coming into our well-being studios. Thank you for finding us.

I've brought the leaves with me though, haven't I?

A nature table going on here, if that's it you're fine. Which of course is very is very I suppose appropriate because you were a

teacher thinking about nature tables yeah absolutely you were a deputy head is

I was deputy head of a secondary school so nature was not my topic I was a computer scientist

which I think is hilarious so I taught computers I T and schools for 14 years that's a

full-on job I mean secondary school you're working in London. I was

working in London yeah. That's quite hot cool. It's really hot cool but I loved it I

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