Everybody, welcome back. I am Larry Wilmore and this is Black Under Air. Right at the end

of 2017, we're almost at the end. We're going to have the best of podcasts next week.

Today, I'm going to be talking to Ezra Klein, editor at Large, I believe is his title,

over at box.com. Man, you talk about a wonky, smart guy. I'm looking forward to that conversation.

And hope you enjoy that. But thanks for listening. As always, I appreciate everybody out there,

passing it on. So much happens when we're down for like a week. You know, what I pretty much like

to do here, if possible, is like kind of do three weeks in a row and then down for a week.

But that week that you're down so much stuff goes on. And so when I come back, it's always a

challenge. Oh, man, should I still talk about what just happened? So there's a couple of things

about what just happened. But today, the biggest thing is, as I'm recording this, is this big tax

cut bill that Republicans are pushing through Congress right now. And president will probably

sign it pretty soon. Democrats are pretty upset about it. My issue on this, I'm not like taxes,

taxes don't rile me as much as it does a lot of people. Like for me, I feel the term tax cut

and tax hike are political terms. I really do. Like we don't discuss enough about tax rate.

Like what's a good tax rate? Like tax cut and tax hike, either one of those is more of a psychological

effect. Like is more of an immediate thing. You know, and the way I view the economy, I think the

economy is more of an organism that has more to do with human behavior than it does have to do with

hard and fast rules. You know, a lot of things that might have been effective 30 years ago might

not be effective right now. Sometimes tax cuts stimulate the economy. Sometimes they don't.

Sometimes it's, you know, stimulus from the government that can do it. You know, each time

there are different things that I believe can be a good stimulus. I do agree with people who feel

like, why do these corporations need tax cuts right now? It doesn't seem necessary. I definitely

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