Hello and welcome to Drilled. We are doing a quick update episode today on the Exxon

Fraud trial that just concluded in New York. Our reporter Emily Gertz was there a few times

during the trial, including the opening and closing arguments and during Rex Tillerson's

testimony. So she's brought us some details and we've also got a few minutes of the trial to play for

you as well. I also caught up with Union of Concerns scientists Kathy Mulvey to get her take on this.

She's been following the case closely and we talked a little bit about how the New York case

stacks up against the Massachusetts case. Here we go.

What was the scene like on the opening day of the trial? Yeah, the opening day of the trial. Well,

I didn't see all of this, but ahead of the trial opening, which was around the middle of the

afternoon, like one of the local 350 chapters staged a big demo, Hold Exxon accountable kind of thing,

and there's some pictures from that did come out in like the times and stuff. And then there was a

really long line to get into the hearing room, which was where there was like, I don't know,

seating for, I don't know, outside of the area where all the parties in the case are, not very big.

And so they, you know, they managed to cram about, I don't know, let's say 30 or 40-ish people into

the courtroom sort of gallery and then all everyone else and there were like dozens of people online

were sent over to an overflow room where they had a live stream coming in. So there was a lot of

people there interested in the case and then the two sides each gave their opening arguments.

They had a lot of exhibits that they put up on the screen as they gave the opening arguments.

You know, the AG's office went first because they brought the lawsuit and laid out their case

for why what Exxon did constituted fraud. And then the lawyer for Exxon got up and gave his case

and which was basically to say this wasn't fraud. It was clear all along exactly how Exxon was doing

this and the AG, the AG's, this is not about securities fraud at all. This is about the attorney

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