Welcome to You Can't Make This Up, a companion podcast from Netflix.

I'm Ray Vada and I'm hosting this week's episode.

Here on You Can't Make This Up, we go behind the scenes of Netflix original true crime stories with special guests.

This week we're bringing you extremely wicked, shockingly evil and vile.

This much anticipated film premiered at the Sundance film festival

and it stars Zach Ephron as the serial killer Ted Bundy.

Today we're speaking with the film's director, Joe Burlinger.

Not only did Joe direct this feature film about Ted Bundy,

he also directed the Netflix original four-part docueries, Conversations with

The Ted Bundy Tapes.

Back in February we interviewed the author of the book that series is based on, but don't worry,

Joe gets into both the series and the film in this month's episode.

And here to chat with Joe is Aaron Lamer, one of the hosts of the podcast Longform.

And now here's Aaron and Joe. Do you remember reading about it in real time and newspapers and that kind of stuff?

I remember being captivated by the trial itself and in fact you know one of the reasons

that I wanted to do both of these projects you know conversations with the killer

and then the scripted movie

Extremely Wicked is that trial really made an impression on me because it was the first time

that cameras were allowed in a courtroom.

And I remember back then being fascinated by the coverage and 25 years into my filmmaking career

as someone who has spent a lot of time doing crime.

I kind of look at the Bundy trial as the big bang of our current obsession, our current fascination with true crime, because that was the first

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