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You're Dead to Me. We're the comedy podcast that takes history seriously. Also from the BBC

and presented by me, Greg Jenner. I should have told you that at the beginning. Sorry.

Anyway, like many other BBC podcasts, such as Desert Island Discs, Evil Genius, or In Our Time, your dead to me is available first on BBC Sounds,

a whole month earlier than anywhere else, in fact. So if you can't wait another day to hear

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Hello, the two people I'll be talking to today

forcibly remind me in their very, very different ways of my own physical and temperamental inadequacies.

We begin with the apparently simple act of running.

In my detested junior school, cross-country running was always a wonderful alternative to the organised

games that dominated the curriculum. So when I read Alan Celeto's beautiful story, the loneliness

of the long-distance runner, I revelled in his hero's description of its singular delights.

All I know is that you've got to run, running without knowing why, through fields and woods.

And the winning post, snow-end, even though the balmy crowds might be cheering themselves daft.

That's what the loneliness of the long-distance runner feels like. Well, I can now turn to someone

who's the perfect person to expand and explain those pleasures. He's Carl Morris, senior

lecturer in social psychology at the University of Lancashire, who's not only spent much of

his life climbing and moving through mountains,

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