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From Cafe, welcome to Stay Tuned. I'm Pete Barara.

She felt strongly that the cause that she was pursuing was a noble one. Therefore, all

the cheating along the way to get there in her mind I think was perfectly justifiable

because the cause was so noble. That's John Kerryrue talking about Elizabeth Holmes,

founder of the disgraced healthcare startup Theranos. John's latest book is called

Bad Blood. It's all about Holmes and how she fooled people for years with a promise

that she would revolutionize the healthcare industry. In Bad Blood, Kerryrue explains

how she got away with it for so long and how she was eventually exposed and is now charged

with federal crimes. I speak with John about uncovering a scam

why so many competent people fell for Theranos and the incredible reporting drama he faced

personally while covering Holmes. First, let's get to your questions.

First question comes from Susan Delinco who asks in Twitter,

at Pete Barara, love your podcasts, is it legal for Omarosa or anyone else to take President

Trump without his permission? That's a great question. The first thing I'll say is it's

pretty remarkable, isn't it? How many people who are close to the President and claim to

have loyalty to the President, nonetheless, secretly, tape the President? We have Michael

...