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Hello everyone and welcome to another exciting episode of Common Sense with Dr. Ben Carson.

I'm your host Ben Carson and we have a fascinating program for you today.

Who is David Grouch? Perhaps you've heard that name recently you've seen him on television

to retire Air Force Officer, former intelligence official.

Those made some fascinating claims about the U.S. government secret UFO recovery program.

He recently testified that the United States is in possession non-human

spacecraft and remains of pilots. What should we make of these claims? Are they believable?

Are there aliens among us? And to help sort all that out today, we have an expert in the

in the field. Jimmy Aiken, welcome Jimmy and thank you so much for being with us on this podcast.

Much is my pleasure. Glad to be here. Unidentified flying objects, UFOs,

now referred to as unidentified aerial phenomenon, UAPs. You're much more the expert

and just the UFOs, you take lots of different topics and with great rigor investigate them.

Helping us to understand different phenomena, UAPs just one of them. But how did you get

involved in sort of searching out strange things like UFOs?

Well, I grew up in the 1970s and at the time there were a lot of documentaries on TV about

mysterious topics, you know, UFOs, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, all that kind of stuff.

And as a kid, I found it interesting. And then in the 80s and 90s, we got the unsolved mystery show,

Leonard Nimoy, Mr. Spock himself, even had a show for a while called In Search of,

that looked at mysterious phenomena. And a few years ago, I worked with a Christian

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