You're listening to the human upgrade with Dave Asprey.

This is an interview that I've wanted to do for a long time

because our guest today is Robert Edward Grant. He's an entrepreneur, a

well-known author, a Polymath, and a fellow Gaea contributor for Gaya networks.

In fact, I'm recording this episode today

when he is at Gaya, where we both have done a series on there.

If you're familiar with his work,

he's a prodigious artist and sculptor and music theorist, and forbidden knowledge consciousness named him entrepreneur of the year.

So if you're interested in cutting edge biohacking where we're curious about science and consciousness and spiritualism,

those things actually go together because real scientists are curious about things instead of saying that can't be therefore

it isn't which is pretty much a big pharma mantra as far as I can tell.

So this is a guy who's curious and says well might it work and let's see what we can learn here

And that includes stuff that you might be skeptical about like manifesting

I think there's a clear quantum-based mechanism for it.

In fact, I have great theories about that we might get into.

And one of the things I'm most excited about here

is talking about ancient knowledge. I just got back from a remote part of

Turkey called Goblecki Tepe which is the oldest or maybe second oldest ruins on the planet depending on who you believe.

So I'm into that stuff and I've actually been to many of the very, very ancient sites around the world

because it's really clear it wasn't a bunch of

you know cavemen with loincloths carving stuff out of rock crystal because that stuff's

hard to work with so we know something interesting was going on that isn't what we have in our history books,

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