Expert warns U.S. strikes on alleged drug boats cross a 'dangerous line'

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🗓️ 17 September 2025

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President Trump has directed strikes on three boats this month that he claims were transporting drugs. Retired Navy Capt. Jon Duffy explains why he thinks the attacks cross a “dangerous line” and discard “the rule of law.”

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0:00.0	Support for here and now anytime comes from MathWorks, creator of MATLAB and Simulink software for technical computing and model-based design.
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0:28.0	When you start to redefine the threat and authorize force, in circumstances where force is not necessarily authorized, you risk that happening here in the U.S.
0:31.1	The Trump administration has bragged about blowing up boats off the coast of Venezuela,
0:36.7	killing the people on board.
0:38.6	A former Navy captain says that sets a dangerous precedent.
0:52.7	It's Wednesday, September 17th, and this is here and now anytime from NPR and WBUR.
0:58.4	I'm Chris Bentley.
1:01.8	Today on the show, one congressman behind the bill forcing the sale of TikTok to an American owner
1:08.1	worries the Trump administration may have rushed into a deal
1:11.7	to keep the app operating in the United States.
1:14.6	Unfortunately, the White House right now is kind of giving away leverage in various regards,
1:21.2	and this has now gotten caught up in the trade talks, and as a consequence, our national
1:26.7	security is now on the table.
1:28.8	Also, a surrogacy gone wrong highlights the legal risks some women take when they agree to
1:35.7	carry a pregnancy for another person.
1:38.0	There is this lack of protection in an area that is so intimate, that is so personal and so emotional.
1:54.3	Before we get to that story, though, in the past month, the United States military has blown up
2:00.3	three boats off the coast of Venezuela.
2:03.5	President Trump claimed they were running drugs into the U.S.
2:07.1	Those attacks killed at least 14 people.
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