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The Owen Jones Podcast

Expert: Iran War Just Killed the “Rules-Based Order”

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Government, News, News & Politics, Politics

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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0:00.0

Now, the US-Israeli war in Iran is illegal in a not subtle way.

0:06.0

It's loud and proud illegality, which even conservative-type commentators have come out and said,

0:13.7

because it's just so brazen.

0:15.7

However, the way this has been framed by much of the media is completely wrong.

0:21.5

The Western media, when these sorts of wars were denicides or perpetrated by Western

0:27.7

states and Western allies, they play a certain role and it is not a good one.

0:33.6

And they have obviously legitimized hideous and criminal acts throughout history, and they're

0:40.3

doing so today. And what we need to talk about actually is accuracy. What's actually the truth?

0:45.3

You know, what does the law actually say, how it's being completely misconstrued? What does the collapse

0:53.3

of this supposed rules-based order, whatever

0:55.6

the rules-based order is? We'll discuss that. There's no better person to discuss that with

0:59.8

than DeLockta. Dr Alonzo Gimendi, who's LSE fellow human rights, who many of you will recognize

1:07.2

from, well, for start, the interviews, brilliant interviews he did throughout Israel's genocide against the Palestinian people.

1:13.5

He also streams, so just check him out on that.

1:16.7

How you're doing?

1:18.1

Hi, Owen Horri.

1:18.7

It's always very nice to be here and chat about, you know, awful things with you.

1:23.7

The world's falling apart.

1:25.4

Yeah, and terrible heinous crimes.

1:30.0

Let's just talk about what, just how the media's falling apart. Yeah, and terrible heinous crimes. Let's just talk about what just how the media is framing this and how you as a legal expert, I just want to hear your thoughts

1:35.5

on, I guess, egregious elements of the coverage by the Western media. Yeah. So I think

1:42.2

you made a very good video the other day on how the media was not covering the facts of the war well, like with very, very big biases and naming the aggressors in some cases and not naming them in others.

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