cleansed has to do with the whole idea that we are now not only forgiven, but we sense that

forgiveness and we say that forgiveness is mine.

And I'm not going to be overwhelmed with the past because God takes our

sins. He throws them into the depths of the sea, and then he puts up a sign that says no fishing.

Well, that's Dr. Irwin Lutzer. He was our guest last time on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly,

talking about the importance of having a clear conscience before God and man.

He's back with us again today. Thanks for joining us. I'm John Fuller.

You know, John, I'm always thrilled to talk to Dr. Irwin Lutzer because everybody connects with him.

He's certainly a pastor and all of that training and the searching of the word and understanding the word has really given him

tremendous wisdom in Christ. And I enjoy talking with him. It just flows. And last time we talked

about the definition of conscience, what it means, where did it come from? How does God use it? How does

Satan use it against us? And then how do we free ourselves

from the bondage of those whispers? And where does God want us to improve? What's that Holy Spirit

Conscious awakening that we need to be alert as Christians for? We're going to continue this

discussion today. And let me just frame it this way. The Bible says, his grace is

sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. But let me ask, do you really

believe that? I think we, even as the Christian community, struggle embracing that, really? We want

to kind of express power, that we're all together, that we're perfect on the outside,

when in reality, God's saying, you know what, show your weakness, and I'll make you perfect in me.

That's good insight and a great reminder about what God sees when he sees us.

Well, Dr. Lutzer is a pastor emeritus of the Moody Church in Chicago, and he's served there as senior pastor for 36 years.

He's written a number of books.

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