Welcome to Follow Him, a weekly podcast dedicated to helping individuals and families with their

Come Follow Me study. I'm Hank Smith and I'm John by the way. We love to learn, we love to laugh,

we want to learn and laugh with you. As together we follow him.

Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith, I'm your host,

I'm here with my golden co-host John by the way. Welcome John by the way. I would call you the

golden calf co-host, but that's... I had golden grams for breakfast this small, those golden grams.

Well, we can see it. That's probably... That's why I called you golden. Sometimes we get guests on

where I'm really nervous to be around them and then sometimes we get guests on where I'm

probably too comfortable because we're such good friends that I just... Yeah. I'm a little too

relaxed and today is probably one of those days. Can you tell our listeners our good friend who's

with us? John Hilton is here today and I used to feel comfortable about him and then I read his

bio and things that he does that are like, hey, I think I'll learn Chinese and so he does it and I

think, wow, this guy is incredible. So I'll read the bio, but you and I Hank both know that he's

an extraordinary person. John Hilton III was born in San Francisco, grew up in Seattle, served

a mission in Denver. He received a bachelor's degree from Brighamian University while he was

there. He met his wife, Lonnie, they have six children. They've lived in Boise, Boston, Miami,

Mexico, Jerusalem and China. John has a master's degree from Harvard. That's just fun to say that.

I have... Wait, don't you pronounce that different. He has a master's degree from Harvard

and a PhD from BYU, both in education. He's a professor of religious education at BYU and as

our listeners probably know, he's published several books with Desire Book including considering

the cross, which we talked about before on our podcast, how Calvary connects us with Christ. He's

the author of the video course and podcast Seeking Jesus and he loves teaching, reading and spending

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