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Welcome to Late Night Women's Hour with me, Emma Barnett.

Each week we bring together three brilliant women to chew over life, relationships, work, politics and culture.

In short, pretty much everything.

Here with me in the Late Night Women's Art Studio are the writer and women's network founder, Women Who, Otego Wagba, the journalist, author and mental health campaigner Brianie Gordon,

and writer and guilty feminist podcaster Deborah Francis White.

Excuse me, Brianne. Let's start with you for a change, shall we?

Oh yes, please do.

Let's first off, we do on the microphone.

What have you done now? You've been exercising for your mental health rather than your

physical health.

Yes. Well, this is a radio show. You can't see.

Okay, so I feel quite, I feel quite passionate about this. I, I've run two marathons now. And the first marathon I did thinking, I went into it thinking I'm going to lose weight. And then what I noticed about the

training was obviously you do lose a bit of weight because you're training for a marathon.

But what I really loved about it was not the losses, but the gains. And I realized my whole

life I had been exercising from a place of self-loathing. So I wanted to look like someone else,

you know, and the problem is that even if you do happen to lose three stone and get down to a size

eight, you're still going to look like you when you look in the mirror. You are not someone else.

And so, and you know, something that you do out of self-loathing, you're never going to enjoy.

And the moment that I sort of

flick that switch and started doing it for my, because it made me feel better. I mean, we do know

exercise is one of the few things proven to help your mental health. And the moment I started doing

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