Learning to campaign with nothing is the best way to learn to campaign because that's when you have to be creative. You have to really be savvy about persuasion and really think about your messaging and the strength that you can bring to the campaign.

You are listening to Made of Human, also known as the Mole Pard, a podcast hosted by Sophie

Hagen, who is a Danish comedian

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Trying to find out how to do life

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But it turns out nobody knows.

If you are listening to this episode in the future, which you are, because everyone is, this is not going out live,

then say you're listening to this in five years, say you're listening to this

entire episode is that it is mid-March 20-March 20 in the

entire episode is that it is mid-March 2020 in the middle of the coronavirus.

Well, hopefully, not in the beginning of the coronavirus panic,

but it's somewhere in the middle of the coronavirus panic and

everything is weird everything is weird all the countries around us are

shutting down everything and people are being asked to self isolate. It feels, it feels like the

beginning of a scary film. I think a lot of us, you know what, I'm just going to assume that most of us have zero trust in our government here in the UK to tell us the right thing to do.

I think a lot of people are scared.

I think a lot of people feel uncertain.

And I'm just going to start by saying that the guest today will make you feel better period.

I met casual when we were doing the TEDx London event last December.

Yeah, it must have been last last December.

And I was in the middle of a, which if you've listened to this

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