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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

Ex-Google Exec (Mo Gawdat) on AI: The Next 15 Years Will Be Hell Before We Get To Heaven… And Only These 5 Jobs Will Remain!

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

FlightStory

Society & Culture, Business, Education

4.613.2K Ratings

🗓️ 4 August 2025

⏱️ 155 minutes

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Summary

Mo Gawdat sounded the alarm on AI, and now he’s back with an even bigger warning: AI will cause global collapse, destroy jobs, and launch us into a 15-year dystopia that will change everything. Mo Gawdat is back!  Mo Gawdat is the former Chief Business Officer at Google X and one of the world’s leading voices on AI, happiness, and the future of humanity. In 2017, he launched ‘One Billion Happy’, a global campaign to teach 1 billion people how to become happier using science and emotional tools. He is also the bestselling author of books such as, ‘Scary Smart, Solve for Happy’.  He explains:  Why we need to start preparing today for AI  How all jobs will be gone by 2037  Why we must replace world leaders with AI How AI will destroy capitalism The one belief system that could save humanity from dystopia 00:00 Intro   02:28 Where Is AI Heading?   05:14 What Will the Dystopia Look Like?   11:24 Our Freedom Will Be Restricted   19:29 Job Displacement Due to AI   28:25 The AI Monopoly and Self-Evolving Systems   35:23 Sam Altman's OpenAI Letter   39:47 Do AI Companies Have Society's Interest at Heart?   53:21 Will New Jobs Be Created?   01:01:41 What Do We Do in This New World?   01:03:25 Ads   01:04:30 Will We Prefer AI Over Humans in Certain Jobs?   01:08:23 From Augmented Intelligence to AI Replacement   01:17:46 A Society Where No One Works?   01:26:48 If Jobs No Longer Exist, What Will We Do?   01:36:47 Ads   01:38:50 The Abundance Utopia   01:41:02 AI Ruling the World   01:54:36 Everything Will Be Free   01:57:30 Do We Live in a Virtual Headset?   02:14:13 We Need Rules Around AI   02:25:15 I Follow the Fruit Salad Religion   Follow Mo: Instagram - https://bit.ly/4l8WAHI  X - https://bit.ly/4lSZf9F  YouTube - https://bit.ly/4fhBzcL  Website - https://bit.ly/3IWN1hI  Substack - https://bit.ly/4oiw1Td  Emma Love Matchmaking - https://bit.ly/4ogku75  You can purchase Mo’s book, ‘Scary Smart: The Future of Artificial Intelligence and How You Can Save Our World’, here: https://amzn.to/4mkP1i2  The Diary Of A CEO: ⬜️Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/  ⬜️Buy The Diary Of A CEO book here - https://smarturl.it/DOACbook  ⬜️The 1% Diary is back - limited time only: https://bit.ly/3YFbJbt  ⬜️The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards (Second Edition): https://g2ul0.app.link/f31dsUttKKb  ⬜️Get email updates - https://bit.ly/diary-of-a-ceo-yt  ⬜️Follow Steven - https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb  Sponsors:  Linkedin Ads - https://www.linkedin.com/DIARY Replit - http://replit.com with code STEVEN Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The only way for us to get to a better place and succeed as a species is for the evil people at the top to be replaced with AI.

0:08.0

I mean, think about it.

0:09.5

AI will not want to destroy ecosystems.

0:12.2

It will not want to kill a million people.

0:14.0

They'll not make us hate each other like the current leaders because that's a waste of energy, explosives, money and people.

0:19.7

But the problem is super intelligent AI is reporting to stupid leaders.

0:23.8

And that's why in the next 15 years, we are going to hit a short-term dystopia.

0:27.6

There's no escaping that.

0:29.0

Having AI leaders, is that even fundamentally possible?

0:33.3

Let's put it this way.

0:34.8

Mo Gaoat is back.

0:36.4

And the former chief business officer at Google X is now one of the most urgent voices in AI with a very clear message.

0:43.4

AI isn't your enemy, but it could be your savior.

0:47.4

I love you so much, man.

0:48.8

You're such a good friend.

0:50.2

But you don't have many years to live, not in this world.

0:53.1

Everything's going to change.

1:28.2

Economics are going to change. Human connection is going to change. And lots of jobs will be lost, including podcast. No, no. Thank you for coming on today, Mo. But the truth is, it could be the best world ever. The society completely full of laughter and joy. Free healthcare. No jobs. Spending more time with their loved ones. A world where all of us are equal. Is that possible? 100%. And I have enough evidence to know that we can use AI to build the utopia. But it's a dystopia if humanity manages it badly. The world is going to be a lot of control, a lot of surveillance, a lot of forced compliance, and a hunger for power, greed, ego, and it is happening already.

1:32.9

But the truth is, the only barrier between a utopia for humanity and AI and the dystopia

1:38.9

we're going through is a mindset.

1:40.6

What does society have to do?

1:41.9

First of all,

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