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Ex-CIA analyst on why he predicted John Bolton’s firing

Pushback with Aaron Mate

Pushback with Aaron Maté

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4.7594 Ratings

🗓️ 14 September 2019

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Ex-CIA analyst John Kiriakou discusses why he accurately predicted John Bolton’s ouster as National Security Adviser; who might replace him; and the Democratic leadership’s anemic response. Guest: John Kiriakou, former CIA analyst who was imprisoned after blowing the whistle on the agency’s torture program. Support Pushback at Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/aaronmate Pushback on Twitter: https://twitter.com/pushbackshow Aaron Maté on Twitter: https://twitter.com/aaronjmate Listen to Pushback on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/pushbackshow Subscribe to the Pushback podcast on iTunes: https://apple.co/2lu7MGQ Find transcripts and more at https://thegrayzone.com/pushback ||| The Grayzone ||| Find more reporting at https://thegrayzone.com

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0:00.0

Welcome to Pushback. I'm Aramette. John Bolton is out as National Security Advisor.

0:08.0

And while the move has sent shockwave throughout the Beltway, it was not a surprise to my next

0:13.3

guest. Back in June, John Kariaku, a former CIA analyst, wrote that John Bolton's days are numbered

0:20.0

and that he will soon be fired.

0:22.6

Welcome, John.

0:23.6

Thanks for having me.

0:24.6

How did you know?

0:25.6

You know, it's kind of funny. It was a very Washington situation. I have some friends

0:31.6

who happen to work at the White House, like most people in Washington who are even vaguely related to either journalism

0:40.0

or politics, you have friends from all over the ideological spectrum.

0:43.8

They invited me out for drinks one day after work, and all they wanted to do was vent.

0:48.7

And they wanted to vent about John Bolton.

0:51.2

They told me in June, and I published on June 12th, that the president was very angry with John Bolton. They told me in June, and I published on June 12th, that the president was very angry

0:56.1

with John Bolton, not necessarily because of their disagreements on policy, but because

1:03.0

Bolton would then leak those disagreements to the media and was directly contradicting the

1:08.5

president in the media. And that was a big no-no for Donald Trump.

1:13.7

They said that Trump is willing to hear you out in a meeting,

1:17.7

not that he'll necessarily listen to what you say or take your advice,

1:22.0

but by God, you better not cross him in the press.

1:24.7

And Bolton did that repeatedly.

1:26.4

What Bolton was doing, and this was confirmed actually in the day or two days after his

1:31.1

resignation, is when he would have a serious policy disagreement with Trump, he would call

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