Evolving Our Approach to Treating Trauma with Dr. Bessel van der Kolk

Being Well with Forrest Hanson and Dr. Rick Hanson

Being Well

Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

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🗓️ 17 October 2022

⏱️ 61 minutes

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On today’s episode of Being Well, Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, the author of The Body Keeps the Score, joins Rick and Forrest to explore how trauma keeps us stuck, and how we can use imagination, self-expression, and creativity to break away from those old patterns. Along the way they talk about using somatic and non-cognitive interventions, internalized abuse, the value of a developmental perspective, using psychedelics for complex trauma, some of the problems with modern psychiatry, and how we can cultivate an equitable, flexible, and compassionate approach to treatment. About Our Guest: Bessel van der Kolk is a professor of Psychiatry at the Boston University School of Medicine and president of the Trauma Research Foundation in Brookline, Massachusetts. He’s also the bestselling author of The Body Keeps the Score, which is one of the most influential modern books in the field. Key Topics: 0:00: Introduction 1:15: Imagination and aspirational thinking in healing trauma 4:55: Creativity and cultural context 6:10: Where a sense of agency begins 8:40: Why people internalize abuse 16:30: The many practices for redefining past traumas 22:10: The state of psychedelic research and the importance of patient care 29:15: The need for new approaches to diagnosis and treatment 34:00: Issues with the DSM-5 and the need to integrate interpersonal processes 38:50: What counts as trauma? Collective trauma? 42:25: The need for cooperative strategies confronting trauma in pro-social movements 45:15: What helps people resource themselves to create change? 51:45: Recap New Course From Rick! Learn the lessons of a lifetime in the new and improved Foundations of Wellbeing 2.0 program. This yearlong, online program teaches you how to grow the 12 key inner strengths that lead to lasting wellbeing during difficult times. Our New Year's sale is running now, and you can use the code BeingWell25 to get an additional 25% off the purchase price. Sponsors: Join over a million people using BetterHelp, the world’s largest online counseling platform. Visit betterhelp.com/beingwell for 10% off your first month! Want to sleep better? Try the Calm app! Visit calm.com/beingwell for 40% off a premium subscription. Connect with the show: Subscribe on iTunes Follow Forrest on YouTube Follow us on Instagram Follow Forrest on Instagram Follow Rick on Facebook Follow Forrest on Facebook Visit Forrest's website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, welcome to Being Well, I'm Forest Hanson.
0:10.6	If you're new to the podcast, thanks for joining us today, and if you've listened before,
0:14.4	welcome back.
0:15.4	I'm joined today as usual by Dr. Rick Hanson, Rick is a clinical psychologist, bestselling
0:20.5	author, and he's also my dad, so dad and how are you doing today?
0:24.2	I'm really good, partly because we're going to have a chance to talk with someone who's
0:28.6	work I've followed for 20 or more years, just a groundbreaking individual, scholar, clinician,
0:35.8	teacher, and one of the people, frankly most responsible for helping other people to find
0:44.0	healing and growth and repair related to traumatic experiences.
0:48.9	This is Dr. Bessel Vanderkulk.
0:51.5	Dr. Vanderkulk is a professor of psychiatry at the Boston University School of Medicine
0:56.2	and President of the Trauma Research Foundation in Brookline, Massachusetts.
0:59.8	He's also the bestselling author, as you may know, if you're listening to this, of the
1:03.8	body keeps the score, which has spent, I think, over three years on the New York Times
1:07.8	bestseller list and is one of the most influential modern books in the field, so Bessel, thanks
1:12.4	for joining us today.
1:13.4	How are you doing?
1:14.4	To me here.
1:15.4	Thank you.
1:16.4	Yeah, thanks for taking the time.
1:17.4	It's a real pleasure to be doing this with you, and one of the things that's always
1:20.9	stood out to me about your work and that stood out to me as I was reading the book is
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