I'm podcast for journalist Emma Gunnarwardner, although you can call me Emma Guns.

And in these podcast conversations, I want to get to the bottom of those topics that we want

to know more about but can find confusing and bamboozling.

And you simply cannot have failed to notice that one of the big topics in health right now

is OZempic. And by OZempic, I kind of that one of the big topics in health right now is

OZempic. And by OZempic, I kind of mean all of the weight loss drugs that are currently

out there making a huge, huge difference to people's size, weight and shape. These are weight

lost drugs that appear to be working. But for those of us who have grown up in the thick of

diet culture where thinner is better. Are they a magic pill or

should we approach them with caution? Well, I'm welcoming back Johan Hari to the podcast who has not only

travelled the world doing intensive research into these drugs and how they came to be, their benefits and

their risks. He's also been taking it and he's lost a significant amount of weight taking it.

The impact of these drugs on society could be as significant

as the creation of the iPhone. So trust me, this is a conversation you are going to want to hear.

My guest today is Johann Hari, the best-selling author of Lost Connections and Stolen Focus,

whose ability to interrogate and investigate a topic

and then present it in a way that's accessible is second to none, in my opinion.

Johan has appeared on this show before to talk about our attention being stolen by everything

from smartphones to outdated daily timetabling. But when I saw the announcement about his new book,

Magic Pill, I have to admit, dear listeners, I squealed.

Because Magic Pill is a deep dive into the pros and cons of weight loss drugs, such as a Zempec, how they work, whether they are safe in the long term.

And why it is that we need these drugs in the first place.

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