This is Free Thought Radio with co-host Stan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor, Irreverent Views, News, Music, and Interviews.

Imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you try.

No hell below us, above us only sky.

Imagine all the people living for today.

Imagine no religion. I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor. Welcome to Free Thought Radio. And I'm Dan Barker, your co-host. Annie Laurie and I are co-presidents of the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

This is the October 23rd, 2025 episode of Free Thought Radio,

recording in the Stephen Ull Friendly Atheist Studio in Freethought Hall. Free Thought Hall is the

national headquarters of the Freedom from Religion Foundation in Madison, Wisconsin.

And Free Thought Radio is the weekly production of the Freedom from Religion Foundation,

which works to keep religion out of government as our godless and secular constitution requires,

and also serves as North America's largest association of free thinkers, atheists agnostics, skeptics.

We don't care what you call yourself. We all disbelieve in the same God.

Yeah.

We have over 42,000 members current dues paying members. This is not like friends on Facebook.

Although we like those two. And we would urge you to join us because there has never been greater danger to our secular government and the Bill of Rights than now, and we are on the cutting edge working to keep religion in its place.

Why are evangelical Christians sending billions of dollars to Israel?

In the second half of today's show, we'll speak with Mother Jones correspondent,

Kira Butler, about her article in Mother Jones,

God's blank check, Christian Zionists, are pouring billions of dollars into Israeli extremism.

Very timely.

And before that, we're going to enjoy a song by the irreverent singer-songwriter, Roy Zimmerman,

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