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no bull and the aftermath.

I've spent the last few years or spent the last two decades really, so you've writing

from other countries about oftentimes human rights problems in those countries and I come

to it as an American with some sense that yes, we are in this ongoing multi-century struggle

of our own to try to live up to our core aspirations, whether it's equal opportunity, equal rights,

a truly free press and so on.

And I am, I think, chasin't and made more humble by this period of recognizing just how much

work has to be done in this country for us to even say that we're an agent for those

values around the world.

I'm Benjamin Widis and this is the LawFair podcast June 12th, 2020.

China Talk is the newest member of the LawFair podcast family and its emprasario Jordan Schneider

does a wide range of interviews related to China's economy and security.

The current episode of China Talk in which he interviews Evan Osnos of the New Yorker

is a particularly interesting conversation about the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square

massacre and the relationship between that date and the clearing of Lafayette Square.

It's a fascinating conversation that covers everything from the psychological similarities

and differences between Donald Trump and Mao Zitong and Deng Xiaoping to Chinese hip-hop

and why it is not catching on internationally.

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