Hello and welcome to ETIP podcast Voices on the World of Work.

I'm your host, Bianca Luna Fabris, and in this episode we have the pleasure to dive into the EU Social Sit project,

which focuses on the EU and social policies.

The project is led by Professor Martin Kern from the University of Amsterdam and the ETI is in the project's advisory

platform. In today's episode, I have the pleasure of having with me today Professor Maris

Busmeier and Dr. Jan Amaria Aik, both from the University of Constance and we will be focusing

on the first output that is stemming from the EU social sit project that will focus specifically on social

citizenship and public perceptions.

I think it would actually be quite helpful to try and understand what social citizenship

actually is and I don't know if Marius you would like to take this one.

Oh, I'm very happy to start with this.

Of course, this notion of social citizenship rights

sounds a little bit abstract at first sight. And so one needs to, I think, as you say,

provide some concrete examples on what it means. I think what this implies and also our project

in general, it's about a slightly different perspective on the welfare state.

So it's less about social spending as such.

It's less about social transfer programs, the way we usually talk about the welfare state,

but rather looking at the welfare state from the perspective of social rights.

So what kind of social rights do I get from the welfare state?

How are these social rights actually implemented?

And even if, for instance, I have some social rights on paper,

do I actually really, am I really able to enforce these social rights?

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