Europe's post-Munich exhale / Machado on gifting Nobel to Trump
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🗓️ 17 February 2026
⏱️ 26 minutes
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This is a special follow-up episode to share some of what we learned there.
Host Mary Louise Kelly spoke with Michael Froman, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, after Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s keynote address. She also hosted a conversation with María Corina Machado, Venezuela’s opposition leader, in front of a live audience at the Munich Security Conference. Machado was on Zoom from an undisclosed location in the United States.
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| 0:00.0 | On a cold gray Saturday in Germany, America's European partners waited to see if America would |
| 0:06.9 | continue its commitment to the transatlantic alliance. |
| 0:10.9 | In a time of headlines, heralding the end of the transatlantic era, let it be known and clear |
| 0:18.1 | to all that this is neither our goal nor our wish. |
| 0:23.4 | Because for us Americans, our home may be on the Western Hemisphere, but we will always be a child of Europe. |
| 0:32.4 | Yes, a softer American tone at the Munich Security Conference than the year before, did Europe breathe |
| 0:38.8 | a sigh of relief? |
| 0:40.6 | This is sources and methods from NPR. |
| 0:45.5 | I'm Mary Louise Kelly. |
| 0:47.2 | If you heard our show last week, you know we were at the Munich Security Conference. |
| 0:51.9 | That's a gathering in Germany where world leaders, security |
| 0:54.9 | experts, and defense officials meet yearly to take the temperature of the global order. |
| 1:00.8 | This is a special follow-up episode to share some of what we learned there in the form of two |
| 1:06.7 | interviews, one with Maria Corino Machado, the Venezuelan opposition leader who, last month, gave |
| 1:13.8 | her Nobel Peace Prize to President Trump. Yes, we did ask about that, and so much more. But first, |
| 1:21.1 | Michael Froman, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, veteran of many a Munich security |
| 1:27.3 | conference. Like everyone else there, |
| 1:29.9 | he had been waiting with bated breath to see what Secretary of State Marco Rubio would say in his |
| 1:35.5 | keynote. Would Rubio find a way to bridge differences? Or would he swing a big old wrecking ball |
| 1:41.6 | at the Transatlantic Alliance? Michael Froman stopped by to debrief |
| 1:45.4 | after Rubio's speech on Saturday. And just to note, we will be back with our regular episode, |
| 1:50.9 | rounding up the week's biggest NatSec news on Thursday. As always, I suspect there will be |
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