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So, So I'm very pleased today to be joined for the Untold Story podcast by Robert Bryce.

And Robert is an author, journalist.

He's a film producer.

He's the host of the Power Hungry podcast.

And his latest book is called A Question of Power,

Electricity and the Wealth of Nations. His recent feature-length documentary, Juice,

how electricity explains the world, is available on all major streaming platforms. Robert's written for pretty much everybody and writes a lot for Forbes, and we have been following

his work, and he's really one of the sort of outstanding preeminent journalists in the energy

field.

So, Robert, thank you, first of all, for joining me this morning.

I'm glad to be with you, Martha.

So we had gone back and forth a little

bit on this Atlantic Ocean wind farm story, which is fascinating. And it's a real look at the

intersection between green energy and the subsidies they get from the government and the actual

reality of how they're carrying out these projects

and the impact on the environment. And I want to ask you about that. But I really want to

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