This is

CVS I in the world.

I'm John Bachelor, welcoming Judy Dempsey,

the editor-in-chief of Strategic Europe,

she's in Berlin for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

The news that very much illustrates that turmoil in Europe right now about Ukraine's disintegrating front line as best we can understand fog of war.

Warsaw, Reuters.

Poland has arrested nine people in connection with acts of sabotage committed in the country on the orders of Russian

services according to the Prime Minister Donald Tusk. Warsaw says its position as a hub for

supplies to Ukraine has made it a key target for Russian intelligence services.

I begin there because Judy has asked a question of her colleagues about the possibility

of Europe sending trainers, troops.

There are many ways to talk about this during the Vietnam War, the US called them advisors.

It's a military deployment into a combat zone. Are Europeans prepared

to send troops to Ukraine is the question. Judy, a very good day to you. Poland is saying

that they're sabotaged threat or underway by the Russian

Intelligence Services against a member of the NATO EU. That would be Poland. At the same time we're debating whether the EU, NATO, should

or could or can or will issue in some fashion orders to military personnel to move into Ukraine the

territory of Ukraine. I have all of these responses from your colleagues very carefully arranged, but I want to understand the scale of this.

Ever since Emmanuel McCrone, the President of France, introduced the idea of EU troops in Ukraine. It's been a debate here.

Has it been a debate in Europe? Is this dominating a conversation? Are we talking about

specialized debate.

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