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CBS, I in the world. I'm John Bachelor. To Europe, to Berlin. To my colleague Judy

Dempsey, the editor-in-chief of Strategic Europe, she is in Berlin,

observing the Democratic National Convention in Chicago,

and the responses of the various major significant players in the presidential contest.

That would start with the Republicans but also those who were in praise of Joe Biden in his exit speech from the stage of Democratic

National Convention history within these last hours, a moving and warm address that looked to be a farewell attached to a campaign

speech about his successes.

He was in line to run for his second term.

That is not to be.

However, Joe Biden represents something that is very important to Europe,

I read and study, and that is the fact that he was and is considered an

Atlanticist. That's right, Atlanticist. What does that mean and what is the significance of the questions asked about

Kamala Harris the successor? Judy a very good evening to you. What is an

Atlanticist from the point of view of the EU and what did Joe Biden represent to the EU that you'll want to continue?

Good evening to you.

Good evening, John.

Thank you as always for having me on your great shows.

Atlantis is a term that got a huge amount of credibility after the Second World War when it was the United States that

actually rescued what was then Western Europe.

And Atlantisism has been pursued by successive presidents with a few turnabouts but generally pursued in order to galvanize the West.

It's embodied in NATO, it's embodied in the WTO, it's embodied in the World Bank, it's about a group,

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