I'm John Bachelor with Judy Dempsey, the editor and chief of Strategic Europe of the

Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a blend of the many voices of the 27

members of the European Union looking at 2024. I recommend highly sign up. It'll

come to you. We turn to two fires, one in Ukraine.

Hypersonic missiles landing as we speak in Kyif, we're told, a barrage of missiles from Russia.

The presumption that Ukraine is short of manpower, short of everything, and needs NATO, needs the US.

And then in Gaza, no transparency whatsoever.

Fog of war.

We're told that it'll go on for many more months,

and now we've got a conflict in the Red Sea that cannot be solved by treaties.

It's a shooting war, and right now it looks very much out of control.

Judy, Europe looks at these matters. Ukraine, Gaza and the Red Sea, does it get involved?

Or does it wait for the US to do something?

Well, let's take Ukraine, certainly the US has been the lead military and political support for Ukraine since the war started in 2022, Europeans

have more than caught up actually on this but I think when you raise these three

conflict zones Ukraine by geographical proximity, by cultural proximity, by everything else.

It should be Europe's automatic place where Europe should just go and defend it and protect, save, defend

Europe, Ukrainian sovereignty. They haven't done the whole, they haven't

made this mental leap unfortunately.

And although one doesn't know how this is going to change in the US with their leadership.

As regards to Israel, Gaza, forget it.

The European Union have no influence, absolutely zero.

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