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Hello, friends. Welcome to OnScript. This is Amy Brownhues, a co-host for the podcast with Matt Lynch, Matt Bates, Aaron Heim, Drew Johnson, and Chris Tilling. Today I have the pleasure of speaking with Reverend Professor Esther Akolace, Associate Professor of Pastoral Theology and World Christianity at Knox College University of Toronto. She is the author of For Freedom or Bondage,

a critique of African pastoral practices published by Erdman's in 2014,

and Powers, Principalities and the Spirit,

biblical realism in Africa and the West, published by Erdman's in 2018.

I'm thrilled to have the chance to talk with her about this most recent book, because, I'll be blunt.

There are very few biblical or theological academic resources that assume supernatural beings,

demons, angels, etc., that they assume that they matter in our cosmology, at least in the West.

This presents a problem because, well, scripture does.

Jesus does, the apostles do, the Global South does.

I know that y'all listening come from a wide swath of traditions in Christianity,

so excusiology or theology of the powers,

and even a fully developed pneumatology,

that is a theology of the

Holy Spirit, might be more on the radar for some of you than others. This book helped me navigate

through questions I didn't even know I had, and I say this as someone who grew up Pentecostal,

who not only grants that such things exist, but has experienced things personally. So let's get started.

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