Well, this is current yield grants interest rate observer of the air, and I welcome you,

and I also welcome our somewhat far-flung regulars.

Eric Whitehead, man-controlled panel is joining us today from Smithtown, Long Island, where it's raining.

Yeah, I can report that.

And Evan Lorenz, the great deputy

editor of Grants, is at his socially distanced post in Brooklyn. And I, for my part, am in

Schoherry, New York, which is, well, think of it as the opposite of East Hampton. It is a

farming community in upstate New York. It's as far away from East Hampton as my wife and I could get within commuting distance. So that's where we are. And we are joined today and we'll be talking to him in a moment. We're joined with Will Thompson, who was the managing partner and I think the founder of a very interesting operation called Massive Capital. And he has some wholly refreshing and I think very provocative,

and it sounds like very promising ideas on this fraught business of ESG investing.

Before we talk to Will, I want to report that we had a grants conference last Tuesday, right?

Yeah, Tuesday, October 20th, no, two Tuesdays ago.

And it was fabulous. We were the first event in this massive cavernous place called Javitt Center in Manhattan. This place is the one that hosts the auto show. We were not quite the auto show in size, but the Javitt Center people made us feel as if we were. I would guess

there were 50 or 55 or 60 tops attendees in this room. It felt like there were tumbleweeds going by.

Everyone was properly, you know, distance, and we had many hundreds of people dialing in on the webcast.

But the people at the Javits Center were almost at a loss for words to express their gratitude

that someone had decided to get out of bed in the morning and do something by way of making a

statement that we all ought to think about, at least return to a life of living, as opposed

to a life of hiding.

So but apart from that, the intellectual content of the day I think was unsurpassed.

And you will find it you grant subscribers and the current issue grants, which is in your inbox

and may yet be in your postal delivery box.

So that would conclude for now, I can't warrant to be the

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