Escaping Scientology - Claire & Marc Headley Pt. 2 | Ep. 2066
Mormon Stories Podcast
Dr. John Dehlin
4.6 • 5.2K Ratings
🗓️ 25 September 2025
⏱️ 284 minutes
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Summary
In Part Two of our conversation with Claire and Marc Headley, we dive into the details of how they finally escaped the Sea Organization and the events that led up to that decision. We will also discuss other topics such as the FBI's investigation into Scientology, why they have spoken out against the church since leaving, and how Scientology responds to critics.
Claire and Marc also open up about their ongoing mission to help others break free, including their work with the Michael J. Rinder Aftermath Foundation, which provides resources and support for those leaving Scientology.
You will not want to miss this captivating story of escape from a very dangerous organization.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories podcast. I'm your host, |
| 0:03.8 | John DeLinn. It is September 11th, 2025, and I want to begin by offering a heartfelt |
| 0:11.0 | condolences to the family and friends of Charlie Kirk, who was fatally shot yesterday. |
| 0:21.6 | While we were recording yesterday's episode, we condemn all violence. |
| 0:26.6 | And we also express our support for open dialogue and respectful dialogue, you know, in the sense that we, you know, we understand Charlie Kirk's long history of engaging in |
| 0:40.2 | dialogue with people. And that's what Mormon stories is all about. And we condemn all violence. |
| 0:47.2 | And we also just, again, our heart goes out, not just to the family and friends of Charlie Kirk, |
| 0:53.1 | but also to people |
| 0:54.7 | who respected and loved him. |
| 0:57.2 | We need less polarization, in my opinion. |
| 1:00.9 | We need less echo chambers. |
| 1:03.0 | We need more conversations and more respectful dialogue. |
| 1:06.8 | And so it's a sad, dark day, and especially that it happened in Utah, just 30 minutes away from where we were recording yesterday. |
| 1:15.6 | So anyway, just wanted to say that before we begin. |
| 1:19.3 | Welcome back to part two of our interview with Mark and Claire Headley. |
| 1:25.8 | For those of you who did not hear our previous episode, you may want to pause it, go back |
| 1:30.7 | to yesterday's episode, watch it, and then come back for today. |
| 1:34.4 | Claire and Mark Headley were effectively born into Scientology, and yesterday's episode was about |
| 1:41.8 | their experience as children in Scientology. The conditional |
| 1:45.8 | love offered by their parents as it related to their allegiance to Scientology. It talked |
| 1:52.3 | about their respective recruitments into the Sea Org, which is the most elite, and I would say |
| 1:57.9 | culty and or abusive part of Scientology, which is saying a lot. |
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