Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

Hello, everyone. This is a special episode, a first actually on the indoctrination show,

a re-release of an episode that came out

about 10 months ago. My interview with Catherine Oxenberg. The reason that it's being re-released

this week is that Keith Reneery, the leader of the cult nexium, that her daughter had been in,

was actually just convicted on all charges last week on

June 19, 2019.

He had been in prison, actually, when Catherine and I first spoke, but had not actually

been convicted of anything until this past week.

And Catherine was there in the courtroom when it happened.

I can only imagine her emotions at the time.

Keith was and is a sadistic man who orchestrated the branding and starving of women and the control

of the women and the men in every way with this bizarre justification that it was for their

empowerment. But justice was finally served in what I hope is a precedent-setting case,

and I hope it helps people in the future get justice who have been victimized in these kinds

of situations where often the law protects the cult leader and the abuser more than the victim.

So here is the original episode in its entirety with the same intro that you'll hear right after this

and my interview with Catherine and the one more thing before

you go. And soon you'll get to hear from Catherine again when we have a moment to sit down

and talk together about this very momentous time in her life and in the life of her family and to be able to acknowledge

how wonderful it feels to be able to have someone have to pay a price for what he's done.

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