I have this issue. I made the mistake of buying a smart tooth brush. Have you ever done

this? No. You never like bought a toothbrush that has an app associated with it? No, I like

my toothbrush is dumb. Okay. Well, I think I do too after this experience, because I buy

the toothbrush, I install the app and within a month or so, I realize that the core function

of the app is just to tell you to go buy more toothbrushes. This is the business. What

is the app nominally for is it like to time your toothbrush? It's like, you know, you've

been averaging, you know, a minute, 48 seconds, you really got to get up to two minutes, right?

So that's the sort of what they're selling you, but in reality, it's been like, it's

been three days since you last changed your toothbrush head. I think it's time to, you

know, restart. So obviously I ignore this, right? It's like, come on, I'll replace the

brush head when I'm good and ready. Well, then I'm like in my office and I got a buzz on

my watch and the app has somehow managed to contact my watch to say, hey, the toothbrush

isn't connected to the Wi-Fi anymore. You need to fix this problem. I thought, what sort

of hell world do I live in that I'm letting my toothbrush talk to my watch? Did we have

to go back? Yeah, this is, this is what the Jetsons worst nightmare was. This was the Halloween

episode of the Jetsons. And we have to shut it down. You know what the best way for a toothbrush

to connect to the internet is? What's that? Bluetooth? Okay, well, we should probably

start the show.

I'm Kevin Russo. I'm a tech columnist at The New York Times. I'm Casey Newton from

platformer and you're listening to Heart Fork. This week, Escape from Burning Man. We

talked to one tech exec who fought his way out of the mud. Then, Jonathan Greenblatt,

the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, joins us to respond to Elon Musk's threats to sue

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