Escalation, Episode Two: No Guarantees

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🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

In April, we ran Episode One of our narrative podcast series Escalation on this feed. On Tuesday and Thursday afternoons for the next few weeks, we’ll be posting the rest of the series, starting today with Episode Two.

Escalation is a multi-part narrative podcast co-hosted by Lawfare’s Managing Director Tyler McBrien and Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina, covering the history of U.S.-Ukrainian relations from the time of Ukrainian independence through the present. You can subscribe to the whole series, as well as our other narrative series, on the Lawfare Presents channel.

In Episode Two: No Guarantees: Newly-independent Ukraine inherits a nuclear arsenal from the former Soviet Union. So the United States, Russia, and Ukraine craft a high-stakes deal to disarm Ukraine in exchange for national security protection. Some see it as a diplomatic success, but for others, it’s a betrayal.

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0:18.2	Also, check out Lawfare's other podcast offerings, Rational Security, Chatter, Lawfare No Bull,
0:26.9	and The Aftermath.
0:31.2	It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Tyler McBrion, managing editor of Lawfare.
0:36.5	This afternoon, we're bringing you a little something extra
0:38.8	on top of our daily Lawfare podcast episodes.
0:42.0	We ran episode one of our narrative podcast series,
0:44.8	Escalation on this feed last month.
0:47.6	On Tuesday and Thursday afternoons for the next few weeks,
0:50.6	we'll be posting the rest of the series,
0:52.4	starting today with episode two.
0:55.2	Escalation is a multi-part narrative podcast that I co-hosted with Lawfare's Ukraine Fellow and Estacia Lipatina.
1:02.0	Throughout the series, Nasty and I trace the history of U.S.-Ukrainian relations from the time of Ukrainian independence all the way through the present.
1:10.4	You can subscribe to the whole series, as well as our other narrative series, on our Lawfare
1:14.7	Presents channel wherever you get your podcasts.
1:18.1	In episode two, newly independent Ukraine inherits a nuclear arsenal from the former Soviet
1:23.3	Union.
1:24.5	So the United States, Russia, and Ukraine, craft a high-stakes deal to disarm Ukraine
1:29.0	in exchange for national security protection. Some see it as a diplomatic success, but for others,
1:35.4	it's a betrayal. Here's Escalation, Episode 2. No guarantees.
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