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🗓️ 3 June 2025
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Today, it’s Episode Four of Escalation, our latest narrative series co-hosted by Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien and Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina. Throughout the show, Nastya and Tyler trace the history of U.S.-Ukrainian relations from the time of Ukrainian independence through the present. You can listen to Escalation in its entirety, as well as our other narrative series, on our Lawfare Presents channel, wherever you get your podcasts.
Episode Four explores the interconnected stories of a dirty presidential campaign, an assassination attempt, and a revolution, all of which preceded the 2008 NATO summit, in which the United States and European allies concoct a high-risk plan to protect Ukraine going forward.
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0:39.7 | on top of our daily Lawfare podcast episodes. |
0:43.0 | Today, it's episode four of Escalation, |
0:45.9 | our latest narrative series that I co-hosted |
0:48.0 | with Lawfare's Ukraine Fellow and Astasia Lapitna. |
0:52.1 | Throughout the show, Nasty and I trace the history of U.S.-Ukrainian relations |
0:55.8 | from the time of Ukrainian independence through the present. |
0:59.9 | You can listen to Escalation in its entirety, |
1:02.5 | as well as our other narrative series on our Lawfare Presents channel, wherever you get your podcasts. |
1:08.0 | Episode 4 explores the interconnected stories of a dirty presidential campaign, an assassination |
1:13.2 | attempt, and a revolution, all of which preceded the 2008 NATO summit, when the United States |
1:19.8 | and European allies concoct a high-risk plan to protect Ukraine going forward. |
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