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The Business of Fashion Podcast

Es Devlin on Collaboration, Creativity and Stagecraft

The Business of Fashion Podcast

The Business of Fashion

Fashion & Beauty, Business, Arts

4.6770 Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2023

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

The pioneering set designer speaks to BoF founder and editor-in-chief Imran Amed about how she’s set the stage for some of fashion’s most talked-about immersive experiences.


Background:


In the world of set design, Es Devlin is a trailblazing, unstoppable force. Her remarkable career has seen her craft stages for global superstars like Beyoncé, U2 and Adele as well as immersive experiences for Louis Vuitton, Saint Laurent and most recently, Gucci which recently brought its Cosmos exhibition to London’s 180 The Strand.


But to describe Es as a set designer only feels somewhat reductive. She is a deep thinker who approaches her work like a creative philosopher, examining critical questions about the world.


This week on The BoF Podcast, Devlin joins BoF founder and editor-in-chief Imran Amed to discuss her career and her impressions of fashion — as well as her advice for young creatives. 


 

Key Insights: 


  • Devlin approaches work through multiple lenses. “The practice is to see it through my own eyes, then see it through my collaborators eyes, then finally to see it through the audience's eyes,” she said. “Building on all of those converging and colliding… viewpoints… I think it's a very helpful muscle to learn just in living.”


  • In creating bespoke environments, narrative is a central part of Devlin’s process, particularly in working with fashion companies. “What I've learned… is how to tell a story about the history of a house through an experience that an audience will walk through,” she says.


  • For creatives who may not have the budget of established fashion houses, Devlin encourages leaning on scarcity as a tool to harness creativity. “You can make a gesture by picking a place and turning all the lights out. You could make a gesture by just doing everything in one colour,” Devlin says. “Make your limitations… be the point, be the advantage.”


  • As AI plays a bigger role in her own work Devlin is studying the technology to learn more, rather than work with it without context. “My approach generally is to learn to read as much as I can rather than speaking from a position of inaccuracy or ignorance.”



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0:00.0

Hi, this is Imran Ahmed, founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion.

0:08.4

Welcome to the Bof podcast. It's Friday, November 17th.

0:12.9

In the world of set design, Es Devlin is a trail-blazing unstoppable force.

0:18.4

Her remarkable career has seen her craft stages for global superstars like

0:22.8

Beyonce, U2, and Adele, as well as immersive experiences for fashion brands like Louis Vuitton,

0:29.6

Saint-Aren, and most recently Gucci, which brought its Cosmos exhibition to London's

0:35.1

180 The Strand. But to describe as as a set designer only feels somewhat reductive,

0:42.0

she is a deep thinker who approaches her work like a creative philosopher,

0:46.7

examining critical questions about the world through her work.

0:51.0

Every day when I collaborate, the practice is to see it through my own eyes, then see it

0:59.1

through my collaborators' eyes, then finally to see it through the audience's eyes, and then building

1:04.8

on all of those converging and colliding sometimes viewpoints, then do it again with another layer of viewpoints,

1:13.8

and you're constantly building up this kaleidoscopic lens of learning.

1:19.8

I'm pleased to share this mesmerizing conversation filled with beautiful insights and observations

1:25.1

from one of the world's most talented creatives.

1:28.7

Here's As Devlin on the BOF podcast.

1:33.5

Well, we have just been trying to perfect sound for the last 40 minutes because there's two

1:39.6

perfectionists on this.

1:41.8

It turns out that me and Imran are very similar in that if we're going to dedicate any

1:46.6

atom of our energy to anything, we want to most humbly do it to the best of our ability.

1:53.9

We do indeed. Please excuse us for any sound quality issues this week, everyone. I'm here with

1:59.5

as Devlin. We have been anticipating this

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