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Decoding the Gurus

Eric Weinstein vs. Sean Carroll: Pomp & Fury

Decoding the Gurus

Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne

Science, Leisure, Social Sciences, Society & Culture

4.21.1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 May 2025

⏱️ 128 minutes

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Summary

In this medium-decoding episode, Matt and Chris turn their attention to an unlikely venue for cutting-edge theoretical physics: Piers Morgan Uncensored. There, Eric Weinstein, renegade genius and uber guru, squares off with Sean Carroll, an actual physicist and popular science communicator, in what might generously be called a “debate.”

Eric brings his usual mix of personality-focused historical revisionism, intentional technobabble, and performative outrage, complete with a conspiratorial tale of how physics was hijacked in 1983 by a single lecture (that Eric was naturally present at) and how Eric is the unacknowledged creator of Seiberg-Witten equations. Sean Carroll, meanwhile, does his best to explain in simple terms how scientific research works, what is lacking in Eric's 'theory', and why appearing on podcasts is not a replacement for publishing papers and peer review.

Expect to hear one academic earnestly trying to summarise complex scientific topics, while one culture war celebrity / professional podcast guest decries how he has been constantly maligned, silenced, misunderstood, and generally ignored by the mainstream scientific establishment. And just when you think it is all over, prepare to be astounded by Piers Morgan's ultimate argument for God...

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0:00.0

I'm Hello and welcome to Dakota the Gurus, the podcast where an anthropologist and a psychologist

0:30.2

listen to the greatest minds the world has to offer.

0:33.5

And there should be an asterisk next to that phrase.

0:36.2

And we try to understand what they're talking about.

0:38.4

I'm Matt Brown.

0:39.5

I'm the psychologist from Australia.

0:40.9

He's Chris Kavanaugh.

0:41.9

He is the anthropologist from Japan, formerly Northern Ireland.

0:47.4

And today is a decoding episode, but a mini decoding episode.

0:52.0

Because we're, you know, we're just monitoring.

0:53.8

We're keeping an eye on the discourse.

0:55.5

To neither fish nor fail, Chris, doesn't fit into, it's too big for supplementary materials, too big for a little item there, but too small for a full episode.

1:04.5

So here we are in the nether regions.

1:07.1

That's right.

1:07.8

Our white wheel has reemerged.

1:09.8

His head has popped through the surface and the Weinsteinian airhole has...

1:16.1

The she blows. Yeah. And all the people have been commenting on, we get it, whenever this kind of thing happens, we can't type of take it in a million times of, oh, look, it's Eric, it's Eric, you guys, you got to cover Eric.

1:29.6

And it's like, I guess we do.

1:32.0

I guess we do.

1:32.8

He's always.

1:34.1

Leave him alone.

1:35.3

That's right.

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