Ola, imagine you're in Spain, and you've just poured a refreshing Strya Galicia,

Cervesa. You hear the bubbles in the glass calling out.

In the Penlyown and brooding Galutia since 1906, 100% authentic. But not all Spanish beers are what

they seem, a bit like me. I'm not Carlos from Acrounia. I'm Charles from Cambridge. Estreia Galicia. Spanish. Not Spanish. Hello and this is a show for you if you're bored of people.

Hello and welcome to trigonometry.

I'm Francis Foster.

I'm Constantine Kissen.

And this is a show for you if you're bored of people arguing on the internet over subjects they know nothing about

At Trigonorantry we don't pretend to be the experts. We ask the experts

Our fantastic expert guest this week is a professor of politics at Birkbeck University in London.

Eric Kavman, welcome to Chicanometry.

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. It's great to have you here. As always before we get into the interview itself, tell our viewers and our listeners a little bit about who you are, how are you where you are, what's been your story?

Well, my story, I mean I have a very kind of cosmopolitan background to begin with, so I was kind of born in Hong Kong, grew up in Canada, moved to London.

You know, I've got, you know, Jewish, Chinese, Latino in my background.

So I've got that very kind of international, lived in Japan for eight years.

But the study, or you know, what I study is nationalism and that's partly because if you grow

up abroad you're much more aware of you know it's

problematized the idea of what is your country what's it about so I

develop this interest in nations and national identity so that's something

I've focused on for over 20 years.

And you've got a book that's what we'll be talking about predominantly in this interview.

It's called White Shift, which is coming out very soon.

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