Ola, imagine you're in Spain, and you've just poured a refreshing Strya Galicia,

Cervessa. You hear the bubbles in the glass calling out.

In the Penlyown and brooding Alithia since 1906, 100% authentic. But not all Spanish beers are what

they seem, a bit like me. I'm not Carlos from Acrouna. I'm Charles from Cambridge. Estreia Galicia. Spanish. Not Spanish. Hello and this is the show for you

This is the show for you if you're bored of people arguing on the internet over subjects they know nothing about. At Trigonon or retreat, we don't

pretend to be the experts. We ask the experts. Our fantastic expert guest this week is

Matt Goodwin who is a professor of political science at the University of

Kent and a senior fellow Chatham House. Matt, welcome to Trigonometry. Thanks for having me. It's great to have you and listen the question we always ask is

who are you what's your background how are you where you are what you are what you

interest in some of the things that we're going to be talking about. Yeah well I'm an

academic I've been in political science, the study of politics for 15 years, something like that. I got interested in populism I think really during the early 2000s.

Late 1990s early 2000s I was doing my undergraduate dissertation on what was going on in Austria at the time and Austria was one of the first

democracies in Europe to have a national populist party

really join a national government in a way that got global attention had been some Party really national populace asking them what they were trying to do and so on and from there on it kind of became this real interest in in trying to understand

You know really why people were voting for those movements where they were coming from and how they were trying to

change their countries and then over the years I started doing some pretty interesting

research projects my PhD I was interviewing the harder end of that scene,

talking to a lot of folks on the extreme right wing about why they became active, why they joined these parties and movements that were

even further to the right the national populace.

And then yeah, went the academic route, got a job at Manchester and then Nottingham and then ended up where I am now at Kent and doing some work with think tanks along the way.

And you're about to release a book literally in a couple of days about national populism. We'll get

into that and it's fascinating. Thank you for setting us a copy. We've had a chance to

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