I think it's an exciting time in our culture.

You know that I think I'm doing a lot better than I might have if I was growing up.

You know if I was 40 years ago or something.

Yeah, I've dealt with depression really my whole life in one way or another and

me, I tend to be material and moody and have these moments where I feel like a genius in

a moment where I feel like an idiot and that's helped.

You know I've started to learn the different seasons of my life and the different parts of my

process and I think talking about it has been really helpful and when I was playing that album on

tour and you know playing those songs I would do it at raise the... Raise your hand if you're on

a mood, enhancing drug and it was wild, how many, you know half the crowd.

And then we'd break it down to like who's on the lock, who's on and like everybody would raise

their hand and that was just really powerful to me.

Again it was just like I really learned like when I'm depressed to go away and be quiet and

avoid people and I'm still working on that of like that's when I need to reach out to people.

But I'm lucky that I've had a way to get a lot of it out but also I got to a certain point

in my life where I said I don't want to write songs about being depressed anymore really because

I thought it'd be a real self-fulfilling prophecy like I'm depressed so here's a depressed song

and now I'm gonna go out and sing that song to strangers every night.

And I really it was like a real moment where I stopped, I changed the rules or it wasn't a lot

to write anything negative about myself in the songs and that's you know permitted the rest of my

life too I think. Gen X, millennials walked so that Gen Z could run like you know like Gen X and

millennials started being like hey I'm really depressed and but I'm gonna keep working but like

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