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🗓️ 4 May 2016
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With Fraser Nelson, James Forsyth, Rem Korteweg, Roger Alton and Nick Hilton. Presented by Isabel Hardman. Produced by Tom Goodenough
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0:00.0 | This podcast is brought to you by Barry Brothers, sponsors of great conversation. |
0:09.0 | Welcome to The Spectator podcast. I'm Isabel Harbman, the Spectator's assistant editor. |
0:14.1 | This week we'll be discussing whether Turkey's President Erdogan is the most powerful man in Europe, |
0:18.8 | what's next for Boris, and Lester's fairy tale title win. |
0:22.7 | First up, has Erdogan brought Europe to heal? |
0:25.6 | In his spectator cover piece, Douglas Murray argues that the Turkish president has used a mixture of intimidation, threats and blackmail to do just that |
0:33.6 | and throw open the doors of Europe to Turkey. |
0:36.6 | Douglas says Erdogan is a wretched Islamist bully |
0:39.0 | who has shown just how the EU works. But in pushing Europe around, is Erdogan now more powerful |
0:45.2 | than Merkel, Juncker and Cameron? I'm joined to discuss this by Rem Korteweg from the Centre for |
0:51.1 | European Reform. So Douglas Murray argues in his cover piece that Erdogan is now the |
0:55.4 | most powerful man in Europe. Do you agree with that? Well, I think there's certainly a fair amount of |
1:00.3 | truth to that. I wouldn't necessarily put him on the number one spot. Who would you put his number one? |
1:05.1 | Well, Angola Merkel, I would say, still really takes the throne. But when it comes to key actors in the European political |
1:13.3 | landscape, Erdogan is definitely, definitely there. And that, of course, has everything to do with |
1:18.2 | the migration crisis and the crucial role that Turkey plays in enabling the EU to come to |
1:24.0 | grips with the migration crisis. If you want to put it in those terms, Turkey can |
1:29.8 | provide both the lock to, or putting a stop to the migration flows, but it can also be a spoiler. |
1:36.6 | I mean, it can also decide to allow migrants to cross the Aegean or cross the land border with Bulgaria |
1:43.2 | and putting pressure on the Europeans |
1:46.5 | to get their act together. |
1:47.7 | Douglas talks in his piece of bad behaviour, but basically these are threats from Turkey |
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