Greetings, you're listeners.

This is John Ogolberg, the host of the Remden podcast.

We're doing something a little different today, not too different, but slightly different.

Korky, you might recall from a conversation I had with David French on this podcast a

few episodes ago that I participated in.

It wasn't a debate.

It was a discussion about nationalism with Rich Lowry that was moderated by poor Jim

Garry, who basically just tried to stay out of the way about the issue of nationalism.

And since we recorded the audio, we thought it was interesting.

And since we're going to name check it from time to time, and when Rich's book is finally

out, we will probably reference back.

We figured we should at least have it out there in the universe on our podcast feed.

So if you're interested in this stuff, it's not too long.

I got a little slightly testy at times, but nothing that harmed the friendship or anything.

We thought you might want to listen to it.

So listen to it if you want to.

Don't listen to it if you don't.

And we'll do another normal podcast with air quotes around normal sometime soon.

Thanks a bunch.

I am Jim Garry, the senior political correspondent of National Review, because that's what you

call a political correspondent who gets old.

I've been asked by Lindsay to moderate a conversation, totally not a debate, a conversation

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