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The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Episode 99, Animal Rights (Part II - Fellow Creatures)

The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

Education, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Courses

4.8612 Ratings

🗓️ 20 June 2021

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Introduction

It cannot have escaped your attention that there is a small contingent of our nation that poses a threat to our way of life.

They want us to stop farming our most prized delicacy on the grounds of their 'moral concerns'. We must not let them push us around. As you well know, it has always been an important part of our culture. Why should we assume that this small group of radicals have got it right and that our ancestors have all been wrong? Think of all the memories we've shared when eating the meat around the table with our families. It is a wonderful thing.

Secondly, I have yet to come across anyone who doesn't gain great satisfaction from the delicious taste of the meat. Whether it is in patties, ground mince or slices, it is enjoyed by billions every day. Imagine the backlash if we showed sympathy to the radicals! Think about all the businesses that rely on meat for their income. It would be political suicide.

Finally, and most importantly, we must always remember the natural order of things. We are top of the food chain, and it is our right to exercise our dominion. Every test we have conducted on the creatures have proven them to be inferior, be it intelligence, strength, or a capacity to live what we'd all say is a fulfilling life.

I know that you must feel the same; all I ask is for permission to deal with the radicals. Eating human meat should never be up for debate.

Contents

Part I. History

Part II. Fellow Creatures

Part III. Mere Instruments

Part IV. Further Analysis and Discussion

Links

Carl Cohen, 'Why Animals Have No Rights'.

David DeGrazia, Animal Rights: A Very Short Introduction.

Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals.

Lori Gruen, Entangled Empathy: An Alternative Ethic for Our Relationships with Animals.

Christine M. Korsgaard, Fellow Creatures: Our Obligations to the Other Animals.

Philip Lymbery, Farmageddon in Pictures: The True Cost of Cheap Meat.

Mary Midgley, Animals and Why They Matter.

Matthieu Ricard, A Plea for the Animals: The Moral, Philosophical, and Evolutionary Imperative to Treat All Beings with Compassion.

Peter Singer, Animal Liberation.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan,

0:07.0

Psycast!

0:08.0

Part two, fellow creatures.

0:23.7

So I want to kick off this instalment by drawing a very quick distinction between what we call natural rights and moral rights.

0:29.9

Now, natural rights are those which are self-evident or given to you by God, something that John Locke spoken about, which Jeremy Bentham famously said was nonsense upon stilts.

0:41.2

Very good, Jeremy.

0:42.8

But we're going to be talking about moral rights in this installment.

0:46.2

Moral rights are we're going to define as rights in which one has philosophical reasons for thinking that that being deserves moral consideration. So we're going to be

0:55.1

looking at two types of arguments for establishing moral rights for animals. The first of which we're

1:01.5

going to look at is Christine M. Coilscarred's fellow creatures, our obligation to the other animals.

1:07.0

This is quite a recent publication, isn't it? Is it come out this year, last year?

1:10.6

Yeah, a couple of years ago.

1:12.0

2015. Oh, very good. And we're going to be looking at Peter Singer's Animal Liberation, first

1:18.1

published in 1975. So, two huge texts representing what we might describe as neocantianism

1:24.9

and the latter being a form of preference or hedonistic utilitarianism.

1:29.7

We'll talk about what those mean exactly.

1:31.3

Well, let's talk about it right now.

1:32.3

Should we jump right in to Korskar's main text?

1:35.3

This is the one we set out to be our main reading.

1:38.1

I suppose we need to give a little bit of the background on Kant's ideas about morality before we can say how she's progressed them?

1:45.0

Yeah, and just before I do, it's difficult to go through this book in the amount of depth required to really get an understanding.

1:54.0

I'd highly recommend it if you're, particularly if you study philosophy or you have a very deep interest in philosophy to check out the book.

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