Pan Psygast.

Part two, further analyses and discussion., in last week's installment, you provided

three or four arguments for God's existence, the last one being the moral argument. So to remind

listeners, the argument says that if God does not exist, objective moral values don't exist,

but objective moral values do exist, and therefore God exists. So it seems that many

of our previous atheistic guests argue that morality isn't grounded in God, but in some

social contractor in human nature. For example, Dan Dennett told us that he grounds morality in a

Hobbesian account, quote, before human society, there was no right or wrong. It wasn't immoral,

it was an amoral world. Similarly, A.C. Grayling said, quote, the human society, there was no right or wrong. It wasn't immoral, it was an amoral

world. Similarly, A.C. Grayling said, quote, the rules that govern the interaction of sub-societies

tend to be very humanistic ones, that is, they are just premised on our respect for one another's

human beings, on our recognition of the fact that we have different outlooks and interests and

needs. And to cite a third

example, Rebecca Newberger Goldstein, she came on the show right after you'd had a discussion with her

and Jordan Peterson, I think that was in Canada. She said, and I quote, I do ground things. We have

this great drive to survive and to flourish. And if somebody treats me in a way that stymies this,

then I'm going to feel outrage and indignation. It's not possible to be a human and not say,

why did you do that? Account for yourself. Don't you know the pain that you are causing me?

Now, if I had just stood up on that stage in Toronto and slammed Craig, he would have been

outraged. How could you do that, you maniac?

You hysterical woman. It's built into being a human being that we ask people to account for our

behaviour towards us. It's built into our moral emotions of indignation and outrage. So what do you make

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