Episode 96 -- Phyllis Schlafly, Part 2
In Bed With The Right
Adrian Daub and Moira Donegan
4.8 • 654 Ratings
🗓️ 23 September 2025
⏱️ 79 minutes
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Summary
This is the second part of our epic deep dive into the life of Phyllis Schlafly -- the far-right firebrand who brought down an amendment and arguably helped transform a political party. In Part 2, Moira walks Adrian through Schlafly's attack on the Equal Rights Amendment, and how she pioneered a whole new style of politics to defeat what had been essentially a done deal -- or carried it into the mainstream, at any rate.
Here is a list of books we'll be referring to in both parts of this episode:
Andrea Dworkin, Right Wing Women
Jane J. Mansbridge, How We Lost the ERA
Marjorie J. Spruill, Divided We Stand
Donald T. Critchlow, Phyllis Schlafly and Grassroots Conservatism
Phyllis Schlafly, A Choice Not an Echo
Phyllis Schlafly, Strike from Space
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Adrian Dopp. |
| 0:08.7 | And I'm Weir Dhan again. |
| 0:10.0 | Whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right. |
| 0:14.2 | Okay, Adrian, welcome to my insane document that I sent you. |
| 0:20.0 | It's just like 10 pages and it's all walls of text. So I hope |
| 0:25.1 | you're ready. Yeah, just to give people a little peek behind the curtain here, normally, when we |
| 0:31.3 | always, people who listen to the show a lot know this, we share kind of not a script, but like |
| 0:36.3 | a background document. |
| 0:40.1 | And some of those can be two, three, four pages. |
| 0:45.1 | And sometimes with 1933, I go pretty wild with like 12 to 15. |
| 0:51.4 | Moira, I think, is more, you know, being herself a journalist is a little bit more parsimonious, usually. |
| 0:55.2 | Like, she wants to hit bullet points visually arranged. |
| 1:04.0 | But when she goes overboard, she goes crazy. And this is one of those. I'm very excited to see what this sounds like on the air because I was just like scrolling through block text being like, |
| 1:09.2 | oh Lord, no Lord. |
| 1:11.2 | Well, so we'll see. |
| 1:12.6 | Well, this is my opus, right? |
| 1:14.2 | Because this is part two of our deep dive into Phyllis Schlafly. |
| 1:21.3 | And we did sort of the origins of Phyllis in part one. |
| 1:25.1 | I encourage everybody to listen to that. But today we are tackling the thing that Phyllis in part one. I encourage everybody to listen to that. But today we are tackling the thing |
| 1:30.7 | that Phyllis is best known for and one of the biggest catastrophes in American feminist history, |
| 1:40.2 | the failure and conservative triumph that has led us to so much of where we are today. |
| 1:46.1 | Yeah. |
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