Episode 94 -- Phyllis Schlafly, Part 1
In Bed With The Right
Adrian Daub and Moira Donegan
4.8 • 654 Ratings
🗓️ 16 September 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Moira walks Adrian through the life and times of Phyllis Schlafly -- the far-right firebrand who brought down an amendment and arguably helped transform a political party. This first part charts Schlafly's path before she launched her crusade against the Equal Rights Amendment, focusing on: Paleoconservatism, America First, the John Birch Society, Cold Warriors, Goldwater Gilrls and space-based weaponry (for some reason).
Here is a list of books we'll be referring to in both parts of this episode:
Andrea Dworkin, Right Wing Women
Jane J. Mansbridge, How We Lost the ERA
Marjorie J. Spruill, Divided We Stand
Donald T. Critchlow, Phyllis Schlafly and Grassroots Conservatism
Phyllis Schlafly, A Choice Not an Echo
Phyllis Schlafly, Strike from Space
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Adrienne Dole. |
| 0:09.0 | And I'm Weirrhodd again. |
| 0:10.0 | Whether we like it or not, we're in bid with the right. |
| 0:14.0 | So, Adrian, today, we're talking about one of the biggest forces in 20th century American conservatism. A person whose influence on their Republican Party laid the groundwork for the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump, who brought once fringe conspiratorial reactionary thought into the mainstream, who laid the blueprint for the Christian right, defeated a constitutional amendment for women's equality, and built the institutional mechanisms that continue to harness misogyny as one of the most potent forces in American political life. |
| 0:47.3 | And so I ask you, my friend, what do you know about Phyllis Schlafly? |
| 0:53.3 | Yeah, so first of, I know that she was played by none other |
| 0:56.7 | than Kate Blanchett, and so that's always who I'll be picturing. I also should mention that |
| 1:01.5 | in preparation for this episode, you did most of the research, or did all the research. I did |
| 1:06.3 | delve into the archives and wanted to get a sense of this person as well. And I basically came |
| 1:11.3 | away with questions that I think I'll be posing to you today. I know she was a right-wing |
| 1:16.7 | operative. She sort of comes out of the far-right, really bircher wing of the Republican Party, and I think |
| 1:26.8 | is instrumental in engineering the takeover from |
| 1:29.8 | the more Rockefeller wing of the party in the 60s, it seems to me. She's a big Goldwater |
| 1:36.1 | person and helps mainstream far-right republicanism. And then, of course, she becomes most |
| 1:42.5 | important, almost well-known and most Cape Blanchett played through her work defeating the Equal Rights Amendment in the 1970s, which had been basically all but certain to be ratified when she began her campaign against it in, I want to say, in 1971, is that right? |
| 1:59.7 | Yes, 1979. |
| 2:03.2 | And which was formally defeated in the 1980s. Basically after Schlafly, I mean, the way the show Miss America kind of makes it sound like |
| 2:11.3 | single-handedly radicalized the country against it. Yeah, she is all but single-handedly responsible for why we do not have the ERA. |
| 2:21.3 | And just so our listeners know, Adrian, do you want to like give us a spiel on what the ERA was? |
| 2:26.0 | Right, especially for our non-American listeners. |
| 2:28.1 | The ERA, the Equal Rights Amendment, was proposed in 1923 by Alice Paul, essentially as a follow-up and an enforcement mechanism |
| 2:37.8 | for the 19th Amendment, right, which granted white women the right to vote. So it's a little bit |
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