in the year 2000. I wanted to try being a freelancer. And so I was pitching

stories all over the city. I was doing whatever I could to get meetings or

coffees or conversations with editors. And one editor I was really excited to

work with was at New York magazine and just seemed to be the guy or at least

the editor behind all of their busiest articles. We talked about all sorts of

stories including I had seen Rudy Giuliani and his then girlfriend at this

sort of like very dark cigar barry place in Midtown. It became a very big

tabloid story that he was having an affair and we talked about doing a sort of

like a guide to cheating in New York City which we didn't end up doing. But it

was a fun, exciting, ongoing relationship with him about what I should be

doing for New York magazine. And if I recall correctly, he said something to

the degree of I'm so curious about those Mormon missionaries who are in

their white button downs and their name tag. What do you think about that?

Hi, how are you doing today?

From Justin Harmon and audio Chuck, this is Killed, the podcast that brings

dead stories back to life. Season two, episode nine, if I left you with a

little pamphlet, the missionaries.

My name is Katie Rossman and I'm a reporter for The New York Times. I have been at

The New York Times for about eight and a half years. Katie Rossman is like a

pathological reporter. She takes in what's all around her and she just sees

stories. She sees stories in tweets on the street in a good bit of gossip

whispered between dinner service and dessert wine. It's not like you tell me

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