Hello, welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love hosted by Richard Osler.

My guest on today's podcast, joining me via Zoom, is a returning guest and my friend Eli McCann.

Welcome to the podcast, Eli.

Thank you for having me back, Richard.

I really enjoyed being on your podcast last

time, and I was thrilled when you invited me back. It was good to have you back. Eli was on episode

516. That's like 300 plus episodes ago, recorded in April of 2022. So this is roughly four years

since that episode. And Eli shared his story as a gay

Latterty saint, his journey to eventually step away from the church, find his husband

Skyler, and build a life together. And that's what Eli's been doing since then. And we're coming

out of general conference and there's been a couple talks about being peacemakers. And this is sort of what space we're trying to do is find common ground.

I'm a member of the church, active in the church.

And Eli obviously isn't.

I'm going to LDS Church on a regular basis or at all because he's built his life outside of the church.

But Eli's a peacemaker and trying to do everything you can to bring us together as the same human family.

Eli, as I mentioned, is married to Skyler.

They're married in 2019.

They now have a child, an 18-month-old child and two dogs.

He's a practicing lawyer in the tech industry, I believe. He teaches at the University of Utah, my alma mater law school. He's on the couple boards that I know of, roadhouse homeless shelter and also equality Utah. So Eli's got a lot going on professionally and what he's doing in the community to make it a better

place. But he wrote a book called We're Thankful for the Moisture. And I have enjoyed reading it.

In fact, for the first time my life, I decided to get a Kindle so I could read Eli's book

on a Kindle. And that, I can't believe it's taking me till 65 to start to use that because I can

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