Episode 88 -- Project 1933, Part V: July 1 - July 31
In Bed With The Right
Adrian Daub and Moira Donegan
4.8 • 662 Ratings
🗓️ 5 August 2025
⏱️ 90 minutes
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Summary
For this episode of In Bed with the Right, Adrian and Moira return to the year 1933. They continue the story of how Hitler seized power, what it did to society, what it felt like to live through it, and -- as always -- what role gender and sexuality played in events. Reminder: We're going month by month for these episodes. This fifth installment covers July 1 to June 31, 1933 -- and is devoted entirely to two separate, but intertwined phenomena: Nazi collaborators and the Catholic Church. We cover the different valences of resistance and collaborations in Germany in 1933 -- from culture war stuff, to Nazification, to practices like the Hitler salute. But we also cover the tricky situation of the Catholic Center Party in 1933, and the "Reichskonkordat", a treaty concluded in July that gave the Catholic Church a measure of autonomy within the Nazi state ... but at the cost of an oath of loyalty to Hitler's state.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Adrienne Daugh. |
| 0:08.9 | And I'm Weir-R-Dan again. |
| 0:10.2 | And whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right. |
| 0:13.8 | So, Adrian, today we are returning to our perennial project, 1933, with part five five going through July of 1933. Do you want to tell any |
| 0:25.7 | listeners who might be new about our project 1933 and encourage them to maybe listen to parts |
| 0:30.8 | one through four first? People are making a lot of comparisons between the year 2025 and the year |
| 0:35.6 | 1933. And we thought it might be a good exercise to go through |
| 0:41.7 | 1933 as we go through 2025, and to think about points of continuity, points of difference, |
| 0:48.5 | and to really go through the experience of 1933, what it felt like, not sort of in hindsight, but for people going |
| 0:55.9 | through it, given that we're currently going through 2025. The other thing we're obviously |
| 1:01.9 | doing, given that this is a podcast about gender and conservatism, is to look at conservatives |
| 1:07.3 | and to look at gender questions quite a bit. That's what we're going to be doing today. So the July episode I had teased and promised would be about two things. Collaborators and |
| 1:18.1 | Catholics who are not necessarily the same people. I'm sure there's some overlap between |
| 1:22.3 | collaborators and Catholics based on what I know from my 11th grade history education, I'm pretty sure we're going to see a pretty big center of that Venn diagram. |
| 1:33.5 | Yeah, there's certainly an office in the Vatican that's always like, right-wing dictatorship, you say. |
| 1:39.1 | Yes, we'll take their call. |
| 1:40.9 | Yes, we're interested. |
| 1:42.1 | Very interested. |
| 1:43.2 | But, I mean, the Catholic population of Germany |
| 1:46.8 | also had a very deep loyalty to a leader and an institution that was not Hitler and the Nazi party. |
| 1:54.7 | So I imagine that will also create some complications in this alliance. Exactly. I've been |
| 2:00.2 | promising the story of the collaborators. |
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