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The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Episode 87, Confucianism (Part IV - Further Analysis and Discussion)

The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

Education, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Courses

4.8612 Ratings

🗓️ 18 October 2020

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Introduction

One day when Jack, Olly, and Andy were accompanying Confucius, Confucius said: "Why don't each of you tell me what you have your mind set on."

Andy was the first to reply, he said he wanted to be as profitable and the prestigious as the Duke of Zhou. Once he had profit and prestige, he could have all things his heart desired. 

 Jack, having suspected that Andy had given a poor response, said he wished to cultivate humanness by helping others to help themselves. He wanted to allow others to see how their selfishness prevented them from becoming truly human and from experiencing true joy. 

 Finally, Olly simply responded that he wished not to make any promises he couldn't keep but that he hoped to learn from the ancients, respect the roles he had been assigned, and care for his friends and family. 

 Confucius sat quietly for a moment and then said: "Andy, you have mistaken what made the Duke of Zhou so well pleased. Jack, you have said the right words but for the wrong reason. Olly, you can learn from the ancients but also from your less capable friends, see if you share any of their qualities."

Contents

Part I. The Life of Confucius

Part II. The Analects

Part III. Practices

Part IV. Further Analysis and Discussion


Transcript

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0:00.0

Pan

0:02.0

PAN

0:03.0

Psygast

0:04.0

Part 4

0:19.0

How to Run a Granary.

0:21.9

Just kidding. It's part for further analysis and discourse on, of course.

0:25.8

There's loads of stuff we haven't had chance to talk about.

0:29.1

For all the women, some of the other Confucian scholars that come after Confucius,

0:33.4

some more stuff on government, how have you fulfilled life.

0:35.5

So before we get into our criticisms, our positives of Confucianism, our overall thoughts that are an overall analysis,

0:42.5

let's unpack some of these other things.

0:45.0

Do you want to kick us off, Andy?

0:47.0

I would love to, and we're going to start this discussion with human nature of things.

0:52.4

And we know that...

0:54.1

I'm generally excited.

0:57.8

Now, we hinted that Confucius himself had, I think, a reasonably positive outlook on human nature.

1:04.6

He was a firm believer that every single person could theoretically become a sage of all things, even though he said he'd never met one and never did.

1:14.0

Would you say he was more Russoian than Hobbesian?

1:17.1

I would absolutely say that, but I won't say it.

1:20.7

Because they weren't born yet.

1:22.3

Yeah, for a very, very long time.

1:24.7

Quote we hear from the analects.

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